Aug 29, 2009

Convincing Arthur



Now available from Loose Id - buy link

Convincing Arthur
Genre: M/M Regency-set Erotic Romance
Length: Novella
Author: Ava March


A holiday in the country with a sinfully beautiful man without inhibitions – just the thing to take Arthur’s mind off a recent breakup. Little does he know Leopold’s waited ten years for a chance to convince Arthur he’s worthy of his heart.



Mr. Leopold Thornton missed his chance ten years ago. He isn't about to let this one pass him by.

Given Leopold's reputation for vice and debauchery, Mr. Arthur Barrington has a fair idea why the sinfully beautiful man invites him to his country estate. A shooting excursion? Unlikely. Especially considering Arthur is the only guest invited to the estate. He shouldn't consider the invitation, but a few days of mind-blowing sex could be just the thing to help him get over the heartbreaking end of a ten-year relationship. Then he can return to London to his thriving law practice, and quietly search for an amiable man who understands the meaning of the word discreet and who recognizes the value of commitment.

There was a time when Leopold wasn't such a rakehell. When every night didn't end with an empty bottle of whisky. When he believed in the rewards of patience. When he didn't give himself over to just anyone who'd have him. Old habits die hard, especially when tempted by six feet of solid muscle, but Leopold will only have a few days to convince Arthur he can be the man he's looking for -- that his love is genuine and he's worthy of Arthur's heart.

Publisher’s Note: this book contains explicit sexual content, graphic language, and situations some readers may find objectionable: Anal play/intercourse, male/male sexual practices.

To read an excerpt from Convincing Arthur, click HERE

Aug 27, 2009

Author Interview: Crystal Kauffman

Author Name: Crystal Kauffman

Year started writing for LI: 2009

Titles: The Combat, The Collision

Web Page: http://www.crystalkauffman.com



What genre do you write in, and why? : Erotica and Romantic Suspense. Erotica because I’ve always loved peeking into character’s private lives, both those I write and those I read, and romantic suspense because I love edge-of-my-seat suspense. I’ve always been a very open-minded person in a sexual sense, and I have very strong feelings about the censorship in the US. I do not like erotica being called porn and I do not write smut. Sex -and naked bodies- is not dirty.


How much time do you spend writing every week? : Lots. I’ll let you in on a little secret. Many years ago when the economy was better, I got a job as a receptionist at a major corporation because of their fabulous tuition reimbursement program, and because I could do my homework at my desk. I loved it. I could flex my creative muscles by working on projects, but because I had to stay at the desk and answer the phones, I was never treated like a gofer, copy girl or coffee maker. It’s now almost fifteen years later and I’m still answering phones. (Another secret; the lobby is usually the most elegant place in the building and has the best windows.) I currently spend about four hours of my eight hour day writing. And I have lots of time for email and research too. True, I’m not earning an executive’s salary, but I was never cut out to be an executive. Though I am lucky enough to earn the top of the pay scale for it, and that’s pretty good money-especially when you consider I’m getting paid to write.



What was the first story you ever wrote about? (not nec. first published story) :

It was at that first receptionist job I got one of the first Windows computers and was told to “learn how to use it.” Even back then I was a computer geek. I’d learned to type in junior high on a manual typewriter and had been secretly writing fiction on one of the old amber-screened word processors at the local community college. With this new computer I was in heaven! I wrote a 300 page (single-spaced TNR 10pt) erotic escapade about a bunch of small plane crash survivors lost in the Canadian wilderness. So even then, before I knew what it was, I was writing erotica and romantic suspense.



How do you judge the effectiveness of the sensual scenes in your stories? :Panty wetness level. : )


Do you ever try out the sexual positions you write to make sure of accuracy? Absolutely! Don’t you? : ) Actually, the third book in my Guardian’s series has an interesting scenario in the forced seduction of the male character. He’s a macho somewhat chauvinist guy (don’t worry, he redeems himself) and he’s been dosed with the vampire drug Tourin. He’s out of his mind horny and tries to rut my vampire heroine’s human houseguest. To keep him from hurting himself or the girl, my heroine binds him face-down to the bed with the sex ties. To teach him a lesson, the girl teases him within an inch of his sanity, stroking him to near climax and then letting him hang. So it’s kind of a tough position; he’s face down, but she’s reaching beneath him to grasp his package. Every time I try to test the plausibility, so to speak, neither I nor my husband has the patience to see it to the end. –And just so you don’t think I torture my characters unnecessarily, yes, my hero gets satisfaction. All he has to do is accept her choice of butt plug. Trust me, he ends up begging for it. : )


Ever been told, Um...sweetie, that's not how it works? :No, but I figured out the hard way it’s very difficult to have sex in a swimming pool. Email me privately and I’ll tell you why.


Favourite candy while writing? : Ben and Jerry’s Coffee Heath Bar Crunch.



Plotter or a Panster? :

Definitely a pantser, but it comes back to haunt me sometimes and I have to do rewrites. But that’s okay with me, because I love editing. I’m a pantser because I see my storylines in my head like movie scenes. I can even stop the action and look around to see what else is in the room with my characters.




What is your most embarrassing moment as an erotic romance author? :

Well I’m pretty new so I haven’t had one yet. Just wait, I’m sure one isn’t far off.



When you get stuck, how do you find your way back to the writing? :I think it’s important to have other creative outlets like scrapbooking, photography, or crafts. That will help prevent burnout.


When I find myself stuck on something in a story, the easiest way to fight my way out of it is with research. Find other plausible alternatives. The best advice I can offer is to definitely be part of a writer’s group. Nobody understands a writer like another writer. A while back I had a problem with pacing that I just couldn’t see. I asked another writer for help, and got through it. Most of all be patient and allow yourself to mess up every now and then. You can’t possibly be perfect, so don’t expect yourself to be.





The Personal stuff:



What was the most romantic meal you've eaten? : This might not seem romantic to most, but it was just one example of why I married the most romantic man alive. I had a very clumsy accident: I’d been running, tripped, and smacked my face on a wood rail precisely under my nose. The bruising and swelling ran up my face on both sides of my nose and puffed around my eyes. I had the loveliest set of double-shiners you ever saw. By the end of the next day, I had a splitting headache and was on the verge of tears just from being frustrated. It took too much effort to peel my lids open I just gave up. My husband cooked me soft foods--stewed beef that melted in my mouth, homemade whipped potatoes, creamed corn, and pudding, and fed it all to me because I was essentially blind.



Is your real life anything like your stories? What about your fantasies? :

Well I’d have to say I’ve seen some pretty strange stuff. Once, I was waiting in traffic for a bridge toll and a police car raced past on the rutted shoulder, lights off. It had a flat tire. And a guy in a bright orange suit behind the wheel. I kid you not. Another time at another bridge, I was in the passenger seat when I look out the window and see a guy standing out on the marsh in plain sight, wearing nothing but cowboy boots and choking his chicken for all he’s worth. Legs wide, and one arm thrown high like he’s riding a bronco. It takes just a brief glimpse of something like that to spark an entire story.


You can't handle the truth.


Interesting that the blog a few down from mine by Josh Lanyon is on how to handle truth in an uncomfortable situation, i.e. when you don't like something a friend has written.


In my latest release from Loose Id (squeee!), three people play a game of Truth or Dare. Each question and dare reveals more of them to the other until all is laid bare between the three.

There are some uncomfortable moments as the boundaries get pushed.

Which made me think as I wrote about how most of us played Truth or Dare at one time. I know I did.


It's a game that has a few metaphors for life. Don't pick Truth if you can't handle the questions because people will question, a reality in life, too. Be prepared for the impossible becoming real if you pick Dare. Life will throw these situations at you in real time, too.

So what will it be? Truth or Dare?

Another Night, Another Dream blurb: When a stripper, the birthday girl, and a bodyguard get trapped in a stairwell, they play a game of Truth or Dare to pass the time. Secret fantasies are revealed, and passions flare. But when the game is over will it be just another night, another dream?



Mechele Armstrong aka Lany of Melany Logen
Where Sensuality and Wonder collide
The future's never been so sexy

Aug 25, 2009

Muse or method?


Most writers seem to have a muse (I have a mews - see left) – the creature that whispers at them, never leaving them alone until they write the story that won’t leave them alone. That’s great for unpublished writers, or people who write for the love of it – but what of the writer who is working to a deadline, the one hit by the dreaded writer’s block? The muse has gone – now what?

A writer working for a publisher is a professional, expected to deliver work on time. It doesn’t always work very well with the muse, but there must be a way to cope, or learn how to.

For this to work, you have to forget the magical side of writing. Even romance writers have to take a long, hard look at their methods of working sometimes. The trouble is, there seem to be as many ways of working as there are writers. Some writers like to write from a detailed outline, and others dive straight into the story. However, whichever way they do it, there are similarities. There has to be a backbone to the story, something holding it together, and every writer knows this. Whether you call it Goal, Motivation, Conflict, or The Hero’s Journey, there is something holding the story together, and you can’t usually tell the method used in the final result.

A writer comfortable with the method she uses may still be struck by the dreaded block. There are several reasons for this. One might be the writer’s personal life. Something has changed, and the disturbance has reached every corner of her life. The likelihood is that once the situation is resolved, the creativity will return. Another is a fault with the story. Perhaps a character’s motivation is weak, something that might not become apparent until the middle part of the story. The writer isn’t always aware of it, but there it sits, like an ambush in the jungle, waiting to put a stop to the flow. In that case, it’s time to give up, go through a series of analyses to find out what is wrong, or start something new.

It’s up to the writer to find out what the problem is. If you don’t know how and what motivates you, there are ambushes at every turn. So sometime in your career, you have to stop and think. Forget the stories beating at your ears, forget the demands made on your time – it’s time to think about yourself.

If you know how you work, you can spot what is wrong quicker, and half the problem, the worrying part, has gone. Now follow yourself right through the creativity process. There are several stages, and each needs to be optimal for a really great result.

There are three parts to making a story.

Getting the idea. How do you get ideas? Scenes, characters, or does it vary? How do you get the idea? Are you in the bath, asleep, or relaxing, listening to music? Do other things give you a spark, perhaps a movie or a piece of music?

Prewriting. This varies hugely, but everyone knows how they work best, or they do by the time they have written half a dozen manuscripts. Some like incredibly detailed outlines, layering the book up to its final form. Others plunge right in. But however you start, you end up the same, hopefully with a completed manuscript. Some run the ideas process in tandem with the planning process, some prefer to have all the ideas set before they start.

Writing. How do you like to write? What do you really need? Go through your writing rituals, and ask yourself why you do that, what you need out of the ritual to get results. Perhaps you can’t work without a cup of tea. Instead of ritualising it, so you have a special cup, a special brand of tea etc, discover the essence of the process. It might be that all you need is five minutes non-thought to gather everything together.

Editing. Often the editing process requires a different part of the mind, the analytical side. Go through the same process and try to discover what you actually need to do to be effective as an editor.

To give you an idea of what I mean, here’s my process.

Ideas. Ideas come to me all the time, usually stimulated by something else, whether it’s a house passed in the street, a piece of music, or an item on the news. So I carry a notebook, just for ideas.

Prewriting. I am pretty flexible here. I can prewrite in almost any situation, so I do that when the family is around, and always on my computer. Once the ideas are fixed in place, I need to work myself into the story, and all this clunks about in my head like wheels turning.

Writing. I need no distractions. I work to music, so I have a selection of headphones for when the members of my family are about, and a powerful stereo for when they are not. Many of my books are ‘connected’ with a piece of music. Most of my books have musical themes, and for some reason there doesn’t seem to be any logical connection. But there is an emotional one. So for a historical which throws my characters into turmoil, it might not be a period piece, but a piece of rock music that describes the emotion in a non linear way. I now look for these, pieces that speak to me, and collect them. If I’m interrupted, I lose it, and it can take a while to come back, so I try to keep the headphones on, and ignore interruptions.

Editing. I need silence for editing, and I need to concentrate. Some of my best editing has been done in the middle of the night. I might as well put my insomnia to good use!

Now I know my optimum conditions, and the way my mind works, it’s a lot easier for me to get ‘in the zone.’ Many of the props I used to use are gone now, because I know why.

So think about how you think, and what makes it all work for you – and push that block a bit further away!


Lynne Connolly, http://www.lynneconnolly.com


Aug 20, 2009

Don't Ask, Don't Tell

Probably not what you think.

Actually, this is a dilemma that sooner or later faces most of us who write -- and even those of us who read and have zero desire to write.

You hate your friend's work.

Okay, maybe hate is too strong. But you don't particularly care for it, and now you've been asked for an opinion. Maybe you've been asked to blurb it.

There are two common scenarios for this:

The first scenario is probably the most common. Your friend has a new book out. You love your friend but her work just isn't your cup of tea. Maybe it's worse than that. Maybe you find her work glib, pretentious, and artificial. Her characters are book people, not real people. Her plots are contrived and schmaltzy. Her writing is of the See Me Stand On My Head variety. But she's always said nice things about you and your work.

So her book is out and she either sends you a copy -- or she doesn't.

If she doesn't that's safe enough. Loyal friends buy each other's books (except when we exchange them). You can always be too busy to read it yet. Yet. You're getting to it. Soon. Personally, I think the loyal thing to do is buy the book and just keep your mouth shut.

If she sends you a copy...well, same thing. I personally feel more obligated to try and read it in that case, but...I'll restrain myself to general and vague comments. Glad it's doing so well for you! That kind of thing.

I personally don't believe that honesty is always the best policy. In fact, sometimes I think it's an excuse to get your aggressions out.

What if your friend asks your opinion outright? Do you waffle and say, it's well-written but not your thang? Maybe that's even true. Do you lie and say you loved it? Do you waffle even more and say you just haven't had a chance to read it yet -- two years later?

What do you do?

**I should probably hasten to add here that I have many books by friends in my TBR files, and I really am -- hand to God -- too busy to read them yet. This post is not for you. I promise you.**

Second scenario. Your friend is having trouble with a a story and sends it to you for an educated opinion.

And the book has problems. Major problems.

Do you tell your friend the book has major problems or do you simply reassure her?

I think, very honestly, it will depend on the friend. Some people can take the truth -- keeping in mind that your opinion -- however experienced -- is still just your opinion. Some people can't. Some people think they can take the truth until they have to listen to it.

I'll tell you right now that if anyone asks me for an honest opinion, I'm going to give it. And if I'm not asked directly for an honest opinion, I will keep my negative thoughts to myself. I will find something nice to say. However tangential. I LOVE your cover!

I've seen friendships crumble over honesty -- I've seen writing partnerships crumble over it. And I've come to the conclusion that part of the responsibility lies with the person asking for help, or a reading, or an opinion. Don't ask if you don't want to hear the truth!

And if you did ask, and you got the truth, take a little responsiblity for it.

It's that simple. If what you really want is reassurance, pick your sounding-board accordingly. Don't come to me, for example, when you know I wrote a book about writing and have strong opinions on such things as characterization and pacing and conflict. Because I'm of the mindset that if I believe you've come to me for help, I'm going to try and help you. And I think being honest about craft is helpful.

Also, when you ask another writer for an opinion, make sure it's clear in your mind what you like and don't like about that author's work. So if you hate my dialog, and I tell you your dialog is weak, well, you know how seriously to take that opinion. A lot of this is subjective. Take into account where your career is versus the author you go to for advice. If you're both about on the same level as far as sales and critical acclaim, well, you can take or leave the advice (although I really think there is nothing to beat getting an objective opinion from an author whose work you respect). If the author is an enthusiastic but still aspiring author, listen to the advice -- but if anything goes against your own instinct, go with your instinct.

As for the writer being asked for the opinion...you also need to be realistic. If you know for a fact that your friend has more than a little bit of an ego, tread warily. You can always say you're too busy to take a look right now. Or you can simply reassure and focus on the elements that work in the story.

My take? Be careful with the truth. It's a two-edged sword.

What do you think? What do you say when you don't care for a writing friend's work?

Aug 16, 2009

All My Series

I've got a forum post going over in Coffee Time Romance's Reader's Retreat for all of this month. It's been kind of interesting because I've been talking about my three main series of books: the Dark Elves, Leashed and Heaven Sent. Kind of interesting, even if not a heck of a lot of people have posted so far. It's brought me back to revisiting each book in order. I've posted all of the Dark Elves and Leashed already and this week I'm posting Heaven Sent. The last might have to spill into next week. Sometime toward the end of the month, I'll do a contest :)

So, if you're interested, drop by and visit me. Learn a bit about my three little universes. It's been fun so far, looking back.

Aug 11, 2009

It's finally here!!!

It's been 8 months since Sophie's Secret released at LI. That's a long time to wait for your next story to be released, but finally after a long and much anticipated wait, my latest work and probably my edgiest to date is now available at Loose-ID.

When the club Misty's working at closes, she's left with few employment options. That is, until her ex-boss offers her an alternative she would have never considered on her own. A friend of his is looking to hire a submissive to satisfy his sexual needs. It's not exactly conventional, but what the hell? Misty accepts the year-long contract. What's the worst that can happen? A lot of sex and money to start over?

Owner of a multi-national conglomerate, Garron Worthington works hard for his money and likes to play just as hard in his spare time. His fetish for bondage and dominance dictates his need for hiring women to satisfy him, since he doesn't have time to court them. Infatuated with Misty, Garron accepts her contract and begins her training. He doesn’t intend to fall in love with her, but sometimes that's the price of a submissive.


Please enjoy an excerpt from what I like to call my erotic BDSM romantic suspense.

“Your initiation begins now. In order to be a good submissive, you will need stamina and patience. Let's see how much of both you have, my dear.” He led her beneath the bar. “Arms above your head, pet.”
Pet? That was the name the master at the club Travis had taken her to had used on his sub. So the collar really was what it appeared, a representation of his possession of her. Her stomach twisted, and she swallowed audibly as she slowly walked to where he stood. For some people, pets were treated as more than simply a possession. They were companions, and some people even cared for them like they would a child. Maybe, if she were truly lucky, he would come to see her as more than just property.
He'd restrained her on their first encounter. She'd found it terrifying. This time, while she was still nervous, the stark terror she'd felt before wasn't present. Maybe that was a good sign, one that she would hang on to if things got rough. She hesitated for only a second, then lifted her arms above her head.
He unclipped the leash and set it on a nearby table before turning back to face her. As he secured her wrists in the leather restraints, he spoke, “You have your safe word, and if you simply can't take any more, you may use it. However, if you do, I will nullify your contract, and you will leave immediately. Remember, pet, this is a test to see if you have it in you to become a good submissive. Not everyone can and not everyone will enjoy the lifestyle. Better to find out now than trap yourself in a binding agreement for the next year. Therefore, I must test your limits, and they must meet my criteria. Once you have completed your initiation to my satisfaction, from that point forward you will be free to use your safe word without fear of reprisal. Do you understand?”
“Yes.”
“What?”
“Yes, Master.”
“Good. Let's begin. I went easy on you the other day. Today I won't be as kind. This is your one and only chance to prove you want this position, pet. It is important for you to understand all aspects of what will be asked of you. Therefore, we will start with punishments.”
Her skin prickled with fear-induced adrenaline. One of the things she'd read about the Dominant/submissive relationship was the balance of penalty versus reward. If a sub misbehaved or upset the master, some sort of punishment would result. Could she handle the pain that would come with physical retribution? Would the humiliation that came hand in hand with castigation be more than she could handle?
With thoughts running wild inside her head, she stared wide-eyed up at him and tried to pay attention to what he was saying. “If you disobey my orders or fail to please me or my friends, you will be punished.” He lifted his hand, and Misty braced for the blow, surprised and confused when instead, he brushed a finger along her cheek. “However, pet, you strike me as a woman who could come to understand the concept of pleasure from pain. If you can find that balance, even in your punishments you can find pleasure. Have you ever participated in any type of bondage play, Misty?”
“No, Sir.”
He walked to the wall, paused, apparently considering his choice of instruments. Within seconds, he reached for a long steel spreader bar, then returned to her side. He placed the steel bar between her legs, cuffing an ankle in the restraint at each end. “Lovely,” he murmured as he stood and walked to the dresser positioned mere feet from the bed. “There are several erogenous zones on the body, pet. Some of the most sensitive are the breasts, more specifically the nipples. When highly sensitized, they can cause both great pain and great pleasure.”
He pulled something from the drawer she couldn't see, then turned back to her. “If you can get past the pain, you will feel the pleasure.”
He opened his hand and lifted the first nipple clamp up for her inspection. “Nothing I do to you will leave permanent marks or residual pain. Do you trust me so show you the path to pleasure, pet?”
The idea of purposely inflicting pain made her squirm, yet that pesky curiosity that caused her to sign the contract a week ago now had her agreeing before she had time to change her mind. “Yes, Master.”
He leaned forward, taking her first breast in his mouth. Warm, wet heat filled her senses and raced toward her pussy with a speed she couldn't imagine. His mouth was like a lightning rod, electrifying her senses. It had to be the fear of the moment, the anticipation of the unknown that brought on a desire she hadn't known she harbored. Slowly, he tongued her nub, then gently raked his teeth across it, causing it to pebble. Sufficiently satisfied with the result, he raised his hand and showed her the open clamp. “Last chance, pet. Do you want to back out?”
Yes! “No, Sir.”



AVAILABLE NOW AT LOOSE-ID

Aug 9, 2009

What's With M/M?



Notice something? Although my title addresses the appeal of male/male erotica, the cover of my Midnight Soldier shows a hetr couple (granted my hero came back from the dead) which is what I write.


But I'm a curious soul and when the powers that be at LooseID sent out its bestseller list, I did a little digging. Almost overwhelmingly those turned out to be m/m. So what's the appeal of that sub genre I wanted to know. For the answer, I turned to LooseId_community@yahoogroups.com. As expected, there was no one response and in that variety I learned a lot. Many of those who answered were writers but a fair number of readers (and writers are readers) were represented. Because I didn't ask permission to quote or identify the responders, I'm going to grab a few short takes.


What impressed me was the respect readers gave m/m. Examples:

"I read M/M because of the emotions - they feel somuch more "real" than M/F, if that makes sense! PLUS I have yet to find"purple prose" in M/M and that is a serious hot button for me!"

"I read m/m because I like Romance (initial capital deliberate) and relationship "stuff" playing out alongside a greater story - blame early exposure to SF/SFF and then to murder-mystery. :)"

"I purchase often, with enthusiam, and am thrilled with LooseID's (and other publishers)m/m book choices. I don't want to read m/m/f or any other possible combinations (not my thing) although I would never think to limit the choices of those who do as some people want to do with m/m books, even to the point of not letting some authors display at conventions or be dismissive of the genre. How narrowminded, how homophobic."

"I started reading m/f romances at 14 but about three years ago, I discovered m/m romances and while I still read m/f, I find the m/m genre a lot more satisfying for me. I like men, I like reading about them, and every time I had picked up an m/f novel, it's the hero I find far more interesting, not the heroine. The heroine could have the most scandalous, the most exciting, the most mysterious past ever, and still it's the hero I want to learn more about and who I want to read more about."


As for those who write m/m:

"I read and write both, and I think we all have our feminine side and our masculine side; its fun to take them both out to play sometimes. I like strong women who can hold their own with an alpha male. I enjoy putting two strong males together in a scenario, and not have either put into a feminine role. There's a whole different chemistry there for both reading and writing m/m. Different challenges, a different mind-set."

"I write both m/m and m/f - and for several publishers.Altho the number of m/f books I've had published is much smaller - I'll compare them to the same number of m/m books published.M/M sells much better - way better.Now, that being said, I think since there aren't that many writerspublishing m/m (as compared to all the thousands of m/f romanceauthors in print and e) that e has become the place to get thosebooks - since in most mainstream bookstores across America, the shelves for GLBT romance is non-existant - and you can go into any WalMart, B&N, or online at Amazon and pick up a m/f romance.So, in reality, it only seems like sales are more for m/m and that it's taken over the world. (I wish)We m/m writers only wish we had the chance to take NY by stormand have 10K print runs/sales of our books. So, if we tend to overpower the e market, that's not a bad thing. It's the perfect venue for us. (secrecy, and all) And its a very small share of a very biggenre (romance)."


Am I going to stretch my creative wings and give m/m a try? Right now I can't give a no-nonsense yes. I love wallowing around in my fav BDSM/bondage/capture and paranormal like what's in Storm Howl. Still, I love a writing challenge and trying something new gets my juices going.
Can we get some more dialogue going here? I'd love to hear what you think of m/m or the other sub-genres that LooseID is so successful at.
Vonna Harper www.VonnaHarper.com

Aug 1, 2009

Loose-Id author, Zena Wynn will be a guest author on the Scribes Unleashed Author Yahoo Group this coming Thursday, August 6 @ 7p.m.



Zena Wynn is a multipublished author whose books usually feature multicultural/interracial relationships. Her catalogue spans almost every genre from paranormal to contemporary. Zena's popular True Mates series started at Loose-Id with the first and third titles in the series True Mates and Nikolai's Wolf.

To attend the chat, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scribesunleashed/ and become a Scribes Unleashed member!
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